I apologize in advance for anyone seeking answers in this post. I have more questions than answers here because this is an area where I realize how little I know about with each day I grow.
What is love? When do you know you are in love? Are there different kinds of love? Different degrees? Domains?
Some researchers see love as a civilized cover up to our mate selection instinctive routine. We “love” those who will help us create and maintain healthy and strong offspring. So we subconsciously seek a spouse who will provide good genes to our children and/or will provide to keep them healthy. This crosses my mind whenever I hear someone saying: “I love him! He’s from such a good family and has a great future”. Or when someone says: “She’s the love of my life! She is the best mother I could choose for my future kids”.
But what about the cases when we fall in love with the wrong person; genetically, socially, and all other measures! Can it be a malfunction in our instincts? Or is it forces other than survival and propagation? What about lust? How do we distinguish love from lust? What percentage of love is sexual attraction? Can you love someone that you are not attracted to physically? Doesn’t that explain why most hot and steamy love stories die after 6 months of marriage? Why some guys suddenly fall out of love once they get their way with the girlfriend?
Most challenging to me is that question of whether there are different kinds of love? How your love to your spouse is different than your love to your parents? Your children? You friends? And here I don’t mean the deference in expressing your love. Because for sure (or at least I hope) we express our romantic love differently than our parental love. My question is: as an emotion, how is it different on the hormones and neurotransmitters levels? Is it?Let’s say you have two good friends of the opposite sex and you claim that you love one of them as a friend and the other romantically. What does that really mean? How is the feeling different? Is it the sexual component? Or something else? Or is it just the degree of love? You love one of them more than the other? If so, what about the third one that comes along and you love her/him even more?
Put differently, if someone asks you: who do you love more your mother or your spouse? Would you love one more than the other, both just the same or will it be comparing apples to oranges? If the latter, how?
Finally, how do we fall out of love? Do we stop loving? Stop caring? Hate? Lose interest? What does the cliché “I love you but not in love with you“ mean?
Your input is highly appreciated ;)
43 comments:
did you forget to ask any more questions ?
love hmmmm
it could be about compromise, loving a partner more than you love yourself, madry ! it just hits someone without prior notice.... difference between loving a parent/child/wife !
madry but i think all them have to be unconditional
is anyone expert in love ? or that makes the expert a playboy/playgirl hehehe madri !
your questions raised so many questions and not answers in my mind..
i think love matures with age, our concept of love :)
Fuzzy my dear,
Madri is the most mature answer :)
I know what you mean when you love your parents and children unconditionally. But does that apply to romantic love? Will you still love your spouse even when he/she is selfish, abusive or a cheater? To me, NOOOOOOOOO :))
OK, again.. no time to read it all, so I'll answer the first question and come back for the rest later hehe
UmmEl3yal, dear
Love to me is when you KNOW all the flaws and 'misfits' of someone and still want to spend your life with him or her. That is, of course, provided neither is a cheater, lier or selfish.
"Love is blind" is an over-rated misconception.
I'll print your post, read it and come back for more comments :)
Hala wallah Witty,
Take you time hon :)
What is it that makes you want to spend your life with someone? especially when you know his/her "flaws and 'misfits'" !? How is your feeling towards that person different than anyone else with flaws and shortcomings?
OK, am back :)
Hmmm..so many questions, and I'll be lying if I claimed I can answer any. But I'll give it a try:)
First of all, regarding my previous comment, although I meant THE romantic kinda 'love', but (come to think of it) it can really be applied to all relationships. To explain, between my friends and myself, we drive each other nuts with some of our habits and 'patterns'. Yet, I 'love' them so much I want to be friends with them forever (and I hope they do too *lol*). I can see pass these little flaws of them.
Romantically speaking, I think physical attraction is important. The fact that you love two friends -of the opposite sex- the same, but is attracted to only one of them, makes you 'in love' with him/her.
Having said that, some forms of lust do take the shape of love at the beginning. But it's not love. Based on my theory (3eshtaw), you didn't KNOW the other's flaws and faults, you were only seeing what you liked. The minute you explored that, the magic is gone and the flaws surface.
The other kind of love to your parents or offsprings is completely different than that to your spouse. The former is unconditional, while the latter is. (But I've heard of a girl who loves her husband more than her parents and her kids! talk about obsession!)
It is important to note, though, that my theory (o ham 3eshtaw) is only the beginning of any kind of love. However, any relationship will not grow without a fuel of appreciation, sharing and understanding. I don't believe in any sacrifices made in the name of love, but the unconditional. If you make any sacrifice for your spouse, you are bound to expect the same in return. And expectations, in my opinion, usually ruin any kind of relationship. You'd just be disappointed and, eventually, hurt.
hmmm.. chenni 6awwalt o tefalsaft wayed? Gonna hush now :|
Hope I made sense, even only a little :| (critism is highly welcomed)
la abuser & cheaters get casted away hehehe sa7b jenseyyah, cancel el passport, 6ag o teshelle3 athafer o tasfeer
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i cant really say what love is, but it has to come in a package along with respect and honesty
what is love ?
Dear Witty,
I like your theory (3ishtaw) :)) And you make great sense!
I agree that there is an element of 3ishra that strengthen a relationship.
I am still not sure about your definition of love. You're saying that when you love someone you love them and all ;) And I agree because otherwise it would be just a crush. But what is it that makes you accept a person with all his/her flaws and not another. How is your feeling (that we call love) is different than another feeling like admiring or liking?
Fuzzy,
LOL .. I love khalti Aretha ! 3indik a7ad fil jawazat. Ako wayid yabilhom tasfeer ;)
What about s7b eljinsiya?
Seriously, we should treat all with respect and honesty. But what make someone so special that we "love" her/him?
Che Son,
I might be a shrink but not a psychic ;) I need more info to work with .. Why do you not approach others? Shy? Lack of interest? Playing hard to get? Fear of intimacy?
Have all your love relationships fail? Any "patterns"?
ummel3eyal
what makes someone special ?!
guess its the MoJo :P
Proletarian
fear of rejection :)
Dear Che :)
You'd better keep your guns for the revolution :) So far you used all your ammunition .. LOL
I love being a shrink .. I hate being mufti eldiyar ;) So I need data to work with to answer any question :))
Ok, we established that you're interested :)) (الحمد لله العلي القدير) But from you're input, you're saying "fear of rejection" which is typical and "normal" for both sexes.
But fear is something and surrendering to it is something else. What you're saying is: I won't allow anybody to say no to me. I will stay where I am and who wants me has to take the first step. And you convince yourself that this is smart and a sign to dignity. But in real it could be a sign of fragile self-esteem and self-confidence. Because when rejected you will take it personally and will hate yourself for it. A person with strong self-steem and confidence will not link the rejection to his own self worth therefor would take rejections much easier. (not easy, it never is. But not as hard as it would keep him/her from exploring options).
What is wrong with waiting for others to take the initiative? (1) you lose great opportunities and better potential, (2) you become a slave to the 'other' rather than the master of your choices, (3) gives temporary releif and long term sense of powelessness, and (4) gives you easy ways out of relationships since you don't feel "responsible" for the initiative. That does not allow you to put real effort into maintaining and nurturing a relationship.
أقول قولي هذا واستغفر الله لي ولكم
Please note, I am guessing based on your comment which might not give the whole picture. I'd rather have you on my shrink couch and talk about it more :))
For example I would want to know about your experiences and how you actually feel and what you tell yourself when you feel attracted to someone but do not take an initiative ... etc
Does any of that make sense?
Fuzzy dear,
Yes, charm or magic or chemistry are all factors in creating the initial interest and possibly the crush. But typically they have short term effect as Witty said. When you get to know a person the charm evaborates or turns into our mystery friend, love :)
Ghasheema love,
You don't sound " ghaseema" as all :))
What does "spiritual" love mean? How does it feel? meaning: what is the differences in the way you "feel" when you love someone instinctively or spiritually?
On a side issue, I don't think the love for a parent is an instinct. If it was then we would not be "ordered" to take care of them. We would not find so many eldery in retirement homes. And we would not see parents dying for days without anybody noticing :(
Awwalan, these questions are not easy, Thaneyan I don’t claim to be a love expert :-p
Bafty anyways ;-)
I don’t believe in “kinds” of love, I believe in “levels” of love like Paulo Cohelo Says. Love is one, it’s caring about someone/something and doing what you think is needed to protect them or help them enjoy life.
How do we translate this love?
Here is when it depends on the kind of relationship; and your personality type as well.
To translate my love for my father, for example; I don’t fuzz about his diet and food, I care about his fun and make sure he gets to have loads of it; since he's old and had a hard life. I shower him with hugs and kisses. The same applies to children only, to protect them, we say no to certain things, we panic when they get the flue….etc. Simply because they're at a different maturity level and we get used to that treatment no matter how old they get. The same also applies to friends; but the relationship gives us the freedom to interfere in their daily lives decisions ;-)
All of the above applies to the Partner (to be politically correct). Add to that the chemistry.
In my definition, the highest level of love, is the one that doesn’t only consume you; it adds to you.
Part two coming up.
Now in choosing a partner, what’s love got to do with it?
Awwalan, what kind of partner one seeks? If making children is in the plan, yes I believe choosing the best provider somehowe slips into the subconscious. One would look for someone who can protect and nourish. It then depends on your priorities/needs; do you need financial stability, emotional nourishment, or the best genes in terms of looks and/or brains.
What you seek in a partner determines the type of relationship.
If children are not the plan, a bunch of other possibilities are there. It also depends on what you seek in them. Can you be more specific?
The good old statement I love you but not in love with you means the love is there, but without the chemistry.
Salam 3alaikom, UmmEl3yal :))
(Can I comment on all? Thanx.. will do :D hehe)
First of all, my theory (3ishtaw) is not a definition of love itself, it's rather a 'manifestation' of it. This is how you know you love someone, when you KNOW all the flaws, see pass them and wish to be by their side forever. Couple that with the MoJo Fuzzy mentioned hehe, and you're 'in love' with that person.
But love itself IS a spiritual thing that you can't control. I believe it's a gift from Allah, to love and be loved by someone. (Does that make sense?)
Here's a funny defition of love from The Devil's Dictionary by Ambrose Bierce's:
"LOVE, n. A temporary insanity curable by marriage or by removal of the patient from the influences under which he incurred the disorder. This disease, like caries and many other ailments, is prevalent only among civilized races living under artificial conditions; barbarous nations breathing pure air and eating simple food enjoy immunity from its ravages. It is sometimes fatal, but more frequently to the physician than to the patient."
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I agree with ghasheema:)
The revolutionary Che is the second guy I hear say he can't define love because (enna yamshee o ey7eb) lol (men ARE different, ehh?)
But to be honest, I think when women make the first move, guys get one heck of an ego boost and that's why they allow it, probably hehe
Notice how we women have loads and loads to say about love and men couldn't even be bothered lol
Hi Ladies,
Arfana love,
I agree that chosing a life partner is different than falling in love. The former is a congnitive decision that may or may not take love as a factor.
But, according to evolutionist, our unconscious does not make that distinction. To us, as primemates, the member of the opposite sex is a mate potential and we assess him/her/it accordingly. So even what we think of as a fling or not a marriage material, is taken as seriously in our unconscious calculations. ... This is just one theory though.
Dr. Witty (3shtaw),
I love Bierce's definition .. LOL. Especially "curable by marriage"!!
I also love my male friends despite their genetic malfunctioning ;)
Seriously talking, men rarely verbalize their emotions. Asking for a "definition" is an over kill :) The love issues are hard even for those of us who do nothing but "explore" and "define" feelings.
I really admire Fuzzy and Che for their openness and honesty (please don't tell Fuzz). It shows maturity and intelligence beyond many (men and women).
Not sure if we ever get solid answers, but its great to keep questioning and examining :*
If we can define love, then we’d know. But love does not take one shape to be defined; there are so many kinds of love. And so many different experiences, each is different from the other. Great writers and poets tried to define it and all their definitions were short in meaning. Love is different at each stage and age. Laish yigooloon 7ob elshayib yi3awir :p
Now let’s go back to your questions;
What about lust?
Hummm, never could tell the difference, to me; it’s part of love if we are talking about the opposite sex. But loving your parents and kids is totally unconditional, while loving your spouse is not, until may be at old age, I think.
To me having a companion that you feel comfortable with, share the same mentality and interests, and share little things in life with is the ideal love, of course sex is the fire that keeps it going ;).
And I don’t believe that fighting is the salt and pepper as most believe, harmony and trust where no one crosses the private zone of the other and accept and respect the other the way they are is the main element in a good relationship. Having kids is not important (although it’s not fair to say that, since I had mine) but speaking generally; many couples can’t have them, yet they have a good relationship that they won’t sacrifice it for anything, not even kids. I fell in love once wi kalt tibin, and I know for sure that not every experience is the same, yet, I was hesitant for more than six years to even think of love.
Excellent post, made me want to fall in love again ;)
Ah and one more thing; love starts in the mind when you are ready for it, the object of attraction is just a chance that happened when you’re ready.
Ok, i tried 'ignoring' this post & not commenting. But i couldnt hehe hope this isnt a long comment.
If it was up to me, if life was easy and simple, i would like to say this:
Love is beyond all definitions, if we sit here analyse, discuss, research, there is no way we will be able to put it in words. And no way any of us will feel 'satisfied'.
Love to me is simple, its black or white, its 1 + 1 = 2. That said, it is so simple it cannot be put in human words, as we are such complex creatures, its hard for us to fathom such simplicity.
In your post, you asked many questions and i dont think i can answer each one separately cuz theyre all associated.
Its hard for me to say: There are different kinds of love. Its too absolute for me. That said, there is no way u can compare the love of a spouse to the love of a mother or child. Love & its kinds, its levels, are uncomparable. I beleive u can compare the same kind of love between different people, for instance:
"Flana loves her husband much more than Falanta loves her husband"
"Out of all my friends, I love Flana the most"
You can't however say:
"Flana loves her husband much more than Falanta loves her son"
You cant compare different things.
Now we come to the lust part, i actually wrote a post a few days ago about the illusion lust creates. Anyway, romantic love is very tricky, since it has many stages concerned.
First there is Stage 1. This is when you love the 'idea' of someone. It can be many things, even when we are talking about ppl who fall for the wrong ppl genetically, socially etc. there must be something that caused the attraction.
Personality, reputaion, family, looks, career, religon, money, education, the way they make u feel, their smile, their beliefs...i dunno loads of things. All these things attract u to the person, they appeal to u. This stage i think is the most phase that relies on a persons 'brain/thinking'.
Then u have Stage 2, this is when slowly emotions start to become involved. This is what i call puppy-love and probably the source of all kharab between teenagers :P its hard for teenagers to get beyond this stage in this day and age. Anyway, this is the "Lust" stage. Here physical attraction & chemistry comes in to play. It either exists or doesnt. If it doesnt = Game Over.
If it is a correct match, if the couple have other things apart from physical attraction as a solid basis, the relationship flourishes & you have Stage 3. This is the HoneyMoon period and onwards.....way onwards.....this stage can last for a long time until they reach L O V E
The real 100% no joking about it kinda love.
I believe many ppl dont ever reach the end of this stage. They are married, care for each other, but they are not deeply in love.
Stage 4, 5, 6, 7 i really have no idea. This is when 3ishra starts playing a role, when ur wife becomes "Ummel3yal" when ur husband becomes "Uboel3yal" :P
When all these come together u have unconditional love.
So thats my take on romantic love!
I guess u can similarly categorise the stages of love between a parent to their child, and between a child towards their parent according to age, it progresses with maturity.
P.S. The most common kind of strongest unconditional love, is the love of a mother to her child. Notice i did not say that a mothers love is the strongest love, it is only the most common one.
"To us, as primemates, the member of the opposite sex is a mate potential and we assess him/her/it accordingly."
OK, now am worried about you, hehe.
Otherwise, ditto to all of what you said :*
Can't wait for the next post to atefalsaf again *LOL*
Keep'em comin' :*
Fear of rejection, hmmm
i liked what you said about it Ummel3eyal, about losing opportunity and not being the master.
khalas ill go and play around a little LOL
bagolehom ummel3eyal galat dont waste any chance :P
first impression is important, but what lasts is compatibility :)
love is the divorcee of time and trust's daughter
lust is her naughty younger brother, but she and justice aren't related contrary to common belief
this is only applicable for the 'english' terminology and semantics
Tem: Laish divorcee? Didnt get that part.
Proletarian
how about them yankees...
gonna buy one of those cobra with 427 engines....
next round on me ... cheers
Fuzzy & Che,
I love you both :))
Fuzzy, my advice was for Che and not you. I have enough trouble with Umm Sleiman ;) t3awath min eblees o khalik b the issues of cars and sports .. LOL
Che,
Nice try to ignore the subject ;) But you know me when I decide to nag :))
Did any of what I said make sense to you? (again the question for Proletatian NOT Fuzzy)!
ladies .. I love you more :)
AyyA,
Great to "see" you again :*
I agree that it might be impossible to ever find a definition. But my "theory" (eshm3na Witty) is that we fail to define it because it is not a stand alone feeling. It's a combination of many emotions and concsious and unconscious drives. This is why we think we have different experiences and we end up with diverse definitions.
Failing in love, to me, is a motive to define it :) Unless we know what we did wrong, we're prone to repeat our mistakes. I can not afford doing the same mistake twice ;)
DR,
Why were you trying to resist my post Ms. Conservative? :p .. Don't you know I'm irresistable? .. LOL
I agree with the stages of relationships. This is why I always advice for longer engagement periods to get clearer appreciation of the other past the initial infatuation.
I also agree that our love to our children is the most unconditional. We do not expect something in return and will love them no matter what they do ,, even when they "resist" our posts ;)
Witty,
LOOOOOOOOL ,, I was so hoping no one will notice my compulsive obssessiveness to being "techincally correct" :)
I do not subscribe 100% to the evolutionary theory of love but it makes sense in many cases.
Ghasheema,
I prefer soul mate over (القرين). The latter reminds me of eljin and all ;)
I agree that we sometimes fall in love without knowing why. My fear is waking up one day and recognizing this is not the prince I married, this is still a frog! Knowing why, in my mind, gives me the illusion of trust in my judgement.
Temi,
Great to see you :)
Not sure I get what you're saying. Are you suggesting that we fall in love when we run out of time? Or that love stands the test of time? Survives time?
What about justice? Love is not fair?
Physical spark and trust are both parents ,, I guess.
Care to explain please? Or will you be joining Fuzzy and Che at the pub :)
shlon ya3ni ma an7eref ? LOL
i tried to think of various answers to your questions.... bs el moshkela my answers etwaddi eb dahya lol
so ill keep it zipped
I don't have much to say ...
witty said it all ;) Maa Shaa'a Allah 3alaiha...
Love is an intense feeling of caring for another person. It can take many different forms (romantic, friendly, familial) but it is always about caring.
It is very easy to confuse lust for love. The true measure of romantic love is commitment and trust not physical attraction.
Sex is NOT love. Love is NOT sex. Sex can be a part of romantic love but it is never mandatory.
Here is one of my favorite singers
Whats Love Got To Do With It
Tina Turner
UmmEl3yal
Love you kellesh mellesh :))
bas ay technically correct Allah eyhadaach.. mating with IT is Technically very WRONG *LOL* ya 7asra! hehe
o tara yabeelna en7e6 Fuzzy in isolation .. shakla em9ammem yen7eref lol
Dilli o Milli
yaaaaaaaaaa ba3ad chabdee intay :* eylomooni feech? :D
yegoolich geart minds think alike :)
7ayati :***
You are irresistable, arent u?
Now i know 6al3a 3ela mino :P
Hehe actually i wasnt being conservative, its just that i believe love is too great a thing to even attempt to define it & i think i lack the experience to actually say something of substance.
Fuzzy & Che,
You're both on time out till further notice! Typical men. You wait till I give you a compliment and then make sure I regret it ;p~
Che,
Fuzzy is an old guy with a family, sal3a and karsha. Taking him with you will destroy any chance of "fun" :))
Witty,
Please note that I am completely not responsible for Fuzzy's action. I will need you as charachter witness if he insist on el en7iraf ;)
dilli_o_milli,
Hala Wallah .. 7yach allah fi postna al motawadi3 :) Really glad to have you with us!
I do like your definition. I disagree on the split between sex and love especially in Romantic form of love. So far there has been some sort of consensus that what distinguishes romantic love from another is the physical attraction. Isn't sex the expression of this attraction and love?
Thanks for Tina .. I love her and loved the song even before I got so confused about it's meaning :)
Finally, you are right! Fuzzy in not maskeen ast all ;)
Witty,
LOL .. I'm going to take away your PhD .. wayid g3atay m3a Fuzzy .. 7safa 3laich :))
My sentence is: "To us, as primemates, the member of the opposite sex is a mate potential and we assess him/her/it accordingly". Primates include humans, gorillas and orangutans.
To a gurilla a "member of the opposite sex is a mate potential and it assess it accordingly" .. LOL.
Does it make sense now? Ya shmatat b3th elnas fina ya doctorah :))
BTW, can you teach me how to format while commenting (bold, underline, add hyperlink .. etc). I asked my children once o 7garoni :'(
DR,
Ok, I forgive you my irresistable like her mom ddaugher ;)
The problem is when we approach love too romantically we are distened for heart break(s). So the more we know or explore the better .. I think :)
And this is an area where experience, as you have noticed from all our comments, doesn't add much :(
Finally, at this little corner everything anybody says counts and of great value. Just jump in and you'll see ;*
hehehehehehehehhe
3ad Fuzzy is very intelligent, bs howwa elly shaklo keda lol (la ey6egni bas *e7em*) bas ana khayfa 3alaih men el en7eraaf, though.. shakla men 9ijja abbaih lol
As for your sentence, it STILL doesn't make sense to my lil ol' brain :) I never liked the bing bang or the evolution theories and can't accept myself in the same category with any primates ;) so to me, US means humanbeings only :)
Formatting? that's easy hon :) OK..
1. As far as my modest html code knowledge goes, all the codes I know begin with a letter. These are the ones you need to know for comments:
a for hyperlinks (See below)
b for bold
i for italic
2. Html codes are written between these signs < >, starting with the required letter. This is how you open a code.
2. You write whatever you want to format.
3. To close the code, you use a forward slash between the < and the letter you first used as so < /letter> (w/o the first space).
4. Examples:
(w/o any spaces unless stated otherwise)
Bold = < b > Bold < / b >
Italic = < i > Italic < / i >
The END = < a *space* href="http://www.q80pow.blogsopt.com"> The END < / a >
Hmm.. does that make any sense?
hmmm hmmm o ham one more hmmm
and then you blame men for not getting WO-MEN :P
love is love, sex is not love, love not sex
margoog not gabboo6
jereesh not harees
and to make thing worst, witty added some match equations :P mo nagi9 ella E=MC2 :P
Proletarian
wain el baaaaaaar !
ummel3yal
Hala feech dear, glad to join :)
I Quote "Why some guys suddenly fall out of love once they get their way with the girlfriend?"
This is NOT LOVE this is purely sexual attraction.
Thats why I said Sex is not love, and I also said that Sex can be a part in romantic love but it is never Mandatory.
Sexual Attraction : is Solo Sex.
Romantic Love : is a Combination of Love & Sex.
witty
:***
ummel3yal
بس خلاص غزر البحر ما أقدر أوضح أكثر أمي ما ترضى .. موضوعج يبيله جلسه سريه مو علنيه :)
witty
????!!!?<>?????????????Bold????
???????=/=???????italic?????/!!
!!!/??!!!letter????!>!!!wo??!!
!!!b????!!!!i!//!!????^^?!!!!!
????!!!!:(???!!!!:"(!!!????????
أرحمينا !!! يبه أنتي تدرسين دكتوراااه وأحنا ياله قدرنا ننط جسر الجامعه فحرام عليج تتلفيين اللي باقي من أمخوخنا...شوي شوي علينا
Fuzzy & Dilli
هاو اشفيكم عليّ؟:(
شمعادلاته؟ ام العيال اسألت اشلون تسوي الفورمات وأناشرحت لها على قد فهمي :|
ديلي :*** والله مو قصدي أعقّد الأمور والا أتفلسف .. شرحيلها انتي عفية عيل:|
UmmEl3yal
أنقذيني يا منقذة .. فهمتيني؟؟ هاهاها
Witty love,
Thanks :) And so sorry for asking about the formating. It seems we bothered Fuzzy and Dilli or Milli .. not sure .. LOL
Fuzzy dear,
Do you have to turn everything to food?! Even love?
I agree though, love is just as complicated as E=MC2 ;)
dilli_o_milli 7ayti :*
I agree with the differentiation. If you mean by "not madatory" Platonic love, I agree. The attraction has to be there but not neccessarly acted upon.
b3dain, la 7ya2 f el3ilm ;) If you think this is deep wait till the after Eid post :))
But private sessions are always welcomed ;) This way we don't have to worry about spoiling Fuzzy ;)
Great to have you dear .. keep coming. Especially if we're forming the anti-Fuzzy alliance with Dr. Witty ;)
ummel3yal
يعني راح تفتحينها بحري
NO Limits ?!!
Sure I will "PoP Up" every now and then :) I'm getting a lot of rich information from ur Posts.
witty
يا حياتي أنتي بس يبه آآسفيين ولا تزعليين ولا أتنرفززييين :****
UmmEl3yal
ma gelteeli.. fahamtay what I said wella andeger? lol
Dilli ya Dilli
يا قلبي انتي منو يزعل منج؟:** بس تدرين فيني أندقر بسرعة هاها
عزيزة وغالية حبيبتي :***
okh uncensored 21+ post after ramadan :)
ill bring my ID with me 3ayal mo wagtah adeg darb ley ur blog wegolonly inta look like a 17 year old may9eer etdish :P
Witty love,
I got it wallah. Thank You! o eldalil Alolo ;)
Don't mind Fuzzy, Dilli and Milli. Ramadan has its effect :))
dilli_o_milli,
Come and see ;) All technical though. Nothing of what Fuzzy has in mind :))
Fuzzy,
Alahoma inik sayem ;) YooooooooZ!
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